Talk:Tales (video game series)

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What about the Narikiri Dungeon games for "Tales of the World"? The first was a GB game.. it was kinda weak, IMO. But ND2 (for the GBA) had most of the party characters from ToP/ToE and I think ToD (haven't played this, so I'm not sure) making cameo appearances... I think it was somewhere about 20 or 25 different characters in total.

Since the game was based on collecting different suits to turn into different characters (think transformation masks in LoZ:Majora's Mask.. there were approx 200 suits, "gotta catch 'em all"-style), and you could earn the suits of all the cameos and play as them (the battle music even changed to the same as from the game the character came form, and you got to use their trademark moves).

Those games should be added to this list, but I don't really know their release dates or much about them (I had to play only a partially-translated ND2, but it still quite fun; recommended). alexpenev 13:49, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I've added those games, but they go in the Spin off group. As I don't have much information about these games, I can't really add anything more than the titles and dates. Its unlikely that English wikipedia pages for all the games would be created or have enough information in them to justify creating them. I was wondering though about the italics. Why was that added? I'm sure its some thing that you do in writing, but I just don't know. (Edit 2: found out why it's done - hurrah)

Sometime, I'll be adding more information about the series in general and hopefully to get big enough for an automatic Table of Contents and to justify removing the stub :) (Edit: Sorry for not signing this.. just found out now how to :P) PKFC

So I put in tables because I don't know how to indent... With Wiki code, I don't think tables are that complicated or bloated in the entry's text. I figure <nowiki>s and &nbsp;s are more complicated than the tables... But I'm a bad person for not knowing how to indent. If you feel up to the task of improving the page, go for it. :P PKFC 12:31, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

So March 3 is the release date for the Eternia PSP port and Tales of Legendia IS Tales of Melfes. First dawned on me when reading magic-box's summary talking about an ancient race in Legendia called Melfes and confirmed it elsewhere. The PSP preorder disc that came with Rebirth was just an ad for a PS2 game, not for a PSP game :P PKFC 00:36, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Symphonia is missing from the "Tales series" navigation menu at the bottom of this page and all of the individual games' pages.

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I'm new at this editing thing, and I just wanted to update the dates of the Tales of Symphonia: OVA releases, and put it in the Spin-off section, since it technically is out. But I kinda screwed the page up, so could someone fix it, I'm a noob, and I'm sorry, but I didn't mean to.

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Title?

lmao the picture literally says "Tales Of" series, but the article title is "Tales." Shouldn't the article title match? - 2601:601:600:8810:18FA:EDB8:C54A:C6AD (talk) 02:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Historically, I believe it's been referred to as "Tales of" in Japan but just "Tales" in English regions. Sergecross73 msg me 02:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

All my work undone

I spent a solid week rewriting the Spin-off section, sourcing multiple websites and videos, so why the fuck has it all been undone? The section was shitty and unreadable wall of text with no value, listing names with no information. I spaced this information out into readable bullet points, researched their genres, release dates, and sourced my findings, not to mention the timeline that took days alone to create. It was objectively better than the garbage it has been reverted to, so why the fuck did you shit on all the effort I made? Mokushiroku no Yami (talk) 12:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

The article was already a WP:GA, and your work was riddled with errors. Very basic errors, like that you can't use other wikis as sources, as they violate WP:USERG. You should slow down and learn how the website works before sinking so much time into misguided efforts. And make changes across many edits, so it's easier to undo some of the errors rather than everything. Sergecross73 msg me 12:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I only referenced a wiki when it was the only surviving source of official releases, containing screenshots and quotes from dead sources. They were not opinion pieces, and the original release was gone. You are destroying preservation over guidelines designed for historical events, not lost digital media. And you were more than capable of editing the page and changing what you didn't like, rather that mass deleting everything I worked on. I could not not submitting my work in smaller pieces because it was all one thing: one god-awful chunk of writing turned into one list, and an accompanying timeline. I changed a hideous and unparsable block of text (with already bad citations, by the way, as generic statements link to game reviews) into something informative and readable. If you didn't like parts, iterate on it like the collaborative project this is, don't gatekeep and undo my contributions.

If this is how wikipedia is, I'm deleting my account. I have wasted far too much of my time having my good faith work undone by ego-driven moderators. Mokushiroku no Yami (talk) 12:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

You're not seeing the big picture here. Many other editors went through a ton of effort to get the article to its current status. We can't throw out all of their hard work for a misguided and deeply flawed effort, even if you spent a ton of time with it. My recommendation would be to learn how the website works, and start small. Don't jump straight into a well-developed, high-visibility article without knowing what you're doing. Sergecross73 msg me 13:09, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

The current status of the article is ugly and unparsable. Their "hard work" is a stream of consciousness written as though a sentence is added when a new game is released without any consideration for the rest of the article. Is it an article that no one will want to read and has no value beyond being a list in a solid paragraph of text.

But hey, you're the big important man, you win. You've ruined my week and I will never edit wikipedia again, despite how blatantly shit your precious guidelines are, you gatekeeping prick. Mokushiroku no Yami (talk) 14:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

What you're attempting to do is simply incompatible with Wikipedia. We don't use many of the sources you've proposed using, and writing in paragraph form is generally preferred over bullet points. Maybe a fan wikia or fansite can use your work or something? But it doesn't make sense here. Even if I hadn't, someone else would have undone your work all the same. (In fact, I wasn't even the only editor who undid your work, I'm just the only one who has responded so far.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Original Games

Since the classification change, spinoffs like Narikiri Dungeon,Summoner's Lineage as well as mobiles games like Breaker, Commons, Wahrheit, Material Dungeon and Luminaria now counts as "mainline" games. They should be added to the timeline. 2A02:A03F:C84D:E01:A9DC:866E:F4E5:58C4 (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Any additions/changes need to be supported by a reliable source. What is your source for this? Sergecross73 msg me 23:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Bandai Namco changed the classification from "Mothership" and "Escort" to "Original" and "Crossover" back in 2020.

https://www.abyssalchronicles.com/news/tales-of-series-and-25th-anniversary-logos-revealed-changes-in-game-categorization

All the games I've mentionned earlier technically falls back into the "mainline" category.

Original is for games featuring original characters and Crossover is self explanatory. 2A02:A03F:C84D:E01:A9DC:866E:F4E5:58C4 (talk) 15:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

There also the Aselia fandom which while not official, has a valid list regrouping all those so called Original Titles.

https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Original_Titles?so=search 2A02:A03F:C84D:E01:A9DC:866E:F4E5:58C4 (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, though I thought you were referring to something new - that article is actually 5 years old. We're not compelled to organize things the same way the company does. "Main" and "spinoff" are pretty common ways of doing things across all franchises, and pretty much all entries pretty easily fit in those too. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I can literally do it in 15 minutes if you don't wanna. Leptitgay (talk) 15:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Also what do you, that article contains infos from the company themselves and is still being used to this day. This site is supposed to be as reliable as possible. You ask reliable infos I show them and now you ignore them because "You don't want to ????" ??? Leptitgay (talk) 16:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

What? That's not what I said. I just said that we're not compelled to organize the article in the same way the company does. That should be rather obvious considering, again, your source is five years old, and no one implemented it at any point over the course of the last five years. Sergecross73 msg me 16:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No one has implemented it because you're all lazy and stubborn. Proof is literally here with this convo and how you keep reverting my edits to some outdated format. Leptitgay (talk) 16:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't have any recollection of of anyone even trying to do it. Sergecross73 msg me 16:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Well someone is right now but of course the moderator ego prevents you from acknowledging the fact that you're wrong Leptitgay (talk) 16:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Wrong about what? Please cite the policy or guideline that compells us to organize our articles in the same way as companies do. Sergecross73 msg me 16:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Who cares ? The main series game format is literally outdated so I noticing this decides to change it, even shows official proofs when asked because I'm like "This site tries to be as official as possible. Makes sense that he would need to verify the validity of my edits" I get a "Muh article old, no valid. Don"t wanna change because I'm right and I can't be bothered."

Even when I propose to do it myself since clearly you have better things to do, you still deny. Just admit at this point it's just because you get some thrill of having imaginary powers on this site and it's not about "Muh source". Leptitgay (talk) 16:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Is this the extent of your ability to discuss the issue at hand? Move the goalpost every time I ask you a question? And just cast aspersions instead? This approach won't work well for you on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 17:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

You have yet to address why you removed my edits on the main series games yet I'm the one moving goalposts ? Leptitgay (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No goalposts moved there. I thought by now it would have been clear that I don't believe we need to mirror Wikipedia to how they arrange it. We need to come to a WP:CONSENSUS on how to organize the article. We don't have a consensus yet. So your edit was undone. Sergecross73 msg me 17:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah YOU don't believe. YOU alone which means that I with the OFFICIAL PROOFS am just as valid to make edits as you are. Leptitgay (talk) 17:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:BRD, WP:NOCONSENSUS and WP:STATUSQUO. In content disputes, you default to the original version prior to the changes, and only make the changes if a consensus develops. Sergecross73 msg me 17:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Consensus develops ? Lmao when ? In 2070 when Wikipedia will probably be shut down ? Leptitgay (talk) 17:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Clearly it does work since someone like you managed to become a moderator Leptitgay (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

What does that even mean...? Sergecross73 msg me 17:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, if you're the IP who keeps adding unsourced sales figures, stop, or you're going to get locked out of the article. You need to follow WP:V. That means, to add a new sales figure, you need to add a new source that verifies it. It's not enough to just vaguely allude to "they announced it" in edit summaries, the actual announcement must be in the article as a reference - like shown in WP:REFB. Sergecross73 msg me 16:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Now you're just trolling. They announced back in March 2024 that the series reached the cap of 30 millions. Stop gatekeeping false infos, admit you are wrong and change it back. "Need reliable sources" yet when showed with reliable sources and is even proposed by others to change so he doesn't have to do it if he doesn't like it, he responds with "Muh don wanna" What a joke. Leptitgay (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Go look online "Tales series 30 millions". Stop being like "Need proofs" because 1. You don't care 2. You're a human and not a robot and you're able to verify it by yourself. Leptitgay (talk) 16:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No. Please see WP:BURDEN. It is not my job to do your dirty work. If you wish to add it, you need to do your own legwork in finding and adding a source. Sergecross73 msg me 16:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Like the source stating the classification change that you denied :) Leptitgay (talk) 16:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No, not a source like that, as Abyssal Chronicles is a fansite and they're not considered usable sources on Wikipedia. I'm talking about finding a source like those found at WP:VG/S. Sergecross73 msg me 17:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The same fansite that had ckear links and scteenshots coming from official streams with Yusuke Tomizawa (I bet you have no idea who that is since you hate doing researchs) ? Leptitgay (talk) 17:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Please learn how we identify usable sources on Wikipedia. Until you understand, you can use WP:VG/S as a guide for what kinds of sources we do and don't use on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 17:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

You're just talking out of your pie hole because otherwise you would have started the conversation with "The source is not valid, please find a better one" but you're only now spoutting that BS because you're realized you're out of things to say. Leptitgay (talk) 17:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I mean, the proof in what I'm saying is literally right there for anyone to see. Do you have a valid counter point or no? Sergecross73 msg me 17:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Depends, do you have counters to my edits as well as the pdf I linked you which contains official Ba dai Namco reports on their OWN data about THEIR OWN series (not yours). Leptitgay (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I've already responded to every constructive comment you've made. Your turn. Sergecross73 msg me 17:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

What a gentleman. But unfortunately since I already answered all your comments with reliable infos so I believe it is your turn to come up with rules you can think of. Leptitgay (talk) 17:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've already countered everything you've said. Sergecross73 msg me 17:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Sure you have. Also just looked at the edits made by "Mokushiroku no Yami" and they well written and detailed. Any reasons why you (of course I already know why lmao) deleted valid and interesting infos meant to complete this page as well informing people about the series' more obscures games ?

Of course I already know it's because you're an ego driven gatekeeping admin who hates being corrected but I'm curious to see what excuse you'll invent this time. Leptitgay (talk) 17:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I explained to them the ways their additions violated policy as well. If you just want to add whatever you want with fansites and screenshots and other wikis as sources, go join a Tales fan wikia. They're fine with that stuff. But it doesn't belong here. I'm merely the first person to object; any experienced editor would (and will continue) remove if I'm not on top of it, because these sorts of addition are so blatantly not compliant with our standards. Sergecross73 msg me 18:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to see it. Any other "experienced" admins removing valid and importants (more importantly PERTINANT) concerning the series alongside shining light upon some obscure entries. Well if they're like you then yeah I guess they will.

"Not forced to comply" then why did you added Tempest back in mainline as well as Symphonia 2 ? Did Namco held you at gun point that time ? Leptitgay (talk) 18:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If you have specific points you'd like to discuss about Yami's addition mad e almost a year back, feel free to raise them in that section. Vague griping about it won't help at all here. I get it. You don't like or understand Wikipedia policies and standards. You've made that very clear. But you still need to follow them. Sergecross73 msg me 18:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No fair ! I thought I was the one that should move goalposts. Leptitgay (talk) 18:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you even understand what that phrase means? How is me advising you to discuss Yami's edits in the section about Yami's edits "moving goalposts"? Sergecross73 msg me 18:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Yep perfect example is you failing to respond why Tempest is a mainline game, why Symphonia 2 is a mainline game but not the ones I talked about and instead going around in a circle. Leptitgay (talk) 18:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

How is not responding to an off-topic comment "moving goalposts"? Sergecross73 msg me 18:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Off topic is when you're still talking about the main subject. Didn't know that. Leptitgay (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

So you don't understand the phrase. Got it. Sergecross73 msg me 19:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Are you finally gonna address the point or will you keep dodging it ? It's ok to admit you have no idea what you're saying and just making stuff up. Leptitgay (talk) 19:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Simple, there were sources that called them a spinoff, and a consensus to call them spinoff, so we called them spinoffs. You're free to start a new discussion in hopes of classifying them differently if you want though. Anything else I can help you with? Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Don't care about your outdated sources. I'm talking about Tempest and Symphonia 2. See what I mean by you moving goalposts ? Prime example of it, thank you. Leptitgay (talk) 19:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No, you're just phrasing your questions weird then. I can't tell what you're asking for. Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Trash excuses. I've spend the last 20 minutes asking why Tempest and Symphonia 2 are recognized as mainline games (the source citing them as such links back to Abyssal Chrnociles which in your words isn't "vaild" or whatever that means) when the other games I mentionned (which uses the same source) aren't. Leptitgay (talk) 19:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If you ask goofy questions and give goofy responses like "I dont care about your sources", I dont know how to help you. Weird line of discussion regardless, as you're so caught up in arguing that you seem to have forgotten that you're trying to persuade people in favor of your efits, and this does nothing to advance the argument for your content changes. Sergecross73 msg me 19:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Translation : I have no idea how to counter this argument so I'll just continue to deflect it in hope that he forgets

I'll ask you again. Where are your credible sources for those two games being mainline. You're not getting away with this until you give me a correct, reliable source since you seems to be obssessed with them. Leptitgay (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If you'd like to change their classification, start up a new discussion with your sources that support it. Sergecross73 msg me 19:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

So basically you've got nothing ? You're just a hypoecrite and when called out you resort to bot answers. Leptitgay (talk) 19:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No, I'm asking you to start a new discussion because I can't follow what you're talking about, and no other editors are ever going to weigh into this ridiculous winding conversation full of non-sequiturs and silly comments. You'll never get a consensus to do anything at this rate. Sergecross73 msg me 19:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Since you can just ignore the fact that you have no arguments and go on with your bot activities, what stops me from doing the same and edit to a more accurate timetable while ignoring your pointless replies ? Leptitgay (talk) 19:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Our policies on consensus-building and source reliability, neither of which you seem to have any understanding of. Sergecross73 msg me 20:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, I see you still haven't removed that link. Careful, your hypocrisy is showing. Leptitgay (talk) 18:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No, just looking for a replacement source, or it needs to be removed wholesale, and then that could be a bigger effort to rework. Sergecross73 msg me 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Right, right. Of course. Leptitgay (talk) 19:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Also please explain why in the section about mainline games, there is a source leading straight to the Abyssal Chronicles website. The same article I linked you in fact. :)

Why is that one accepted but not mine when they are the exact same thing ?

And you can't use bs excuse like "Doesn't conform to our rules" because they are the exact same thing. Leptitgay (talk) 18:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I missed that one. Happy to remove it. Which reference number is it? Sergecross73 msg me 18:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

It's in the "Titles" category. That's all I'm gonna say though it's not my job to do your research. Leptitgay (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No worries, we'll get it fixed. After all, identifying errors doesn't justify further errors, it just means more clean up is needed. Thank you for catching that! Sergecross73 msg me 18:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If with even this you still cry about sources then you have a problem

https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Tales

https://app2top.com/news/sales-of-tales-of-berseria-have-surpassed-2-5-million-copies-275818.html

From the factbook2024_en.pdf

Tales of... series

Cumulative total number of shipments,

December 1995 to March 2024 30.25 million units

https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/library/assets/pdf/2024/factbook2024_en.pdf

page 3 Leptitgay (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

That won't work. See WP:FANDOM and WP:SYNTH. Sergecross73 msg me 17:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Of course it won't work lol. Bet you didn't even download the pdf Leptitgay (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Just admit you just like abusing moderator powers. Ain't no way you're real. Leptitgay (talk) 17:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I haven't even used any "moderator powers" here. I just undid your edits in the same manner any editor could have. Doesn't take being an Admin to do that. Sergecross73 msg me 17:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Now I understand what that guy on top of me was saying. I thought he was wrong but not at all. Leptitgay (talk) 17:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Changing Timetable

The classification changed in 2020 (during the 25th Anniversary's livestream) from "Mothership" (main series games) and "Escort" (everything else) to "Original" (works introducing new characters as well as sequels) and "Crossover" (self explanatory).

Here is the link, it is resumed by Yusuke Tomizawa (the OFFICIAL producer of the series) on the OFFICIAL Tales website. This is the most OFFICIAL source possible which means the article should be changed to better reflect that and not what random onlines who think they know better than anyone else.

https://blog.tales-ch.jp/?p=488 Leptitgay (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

What specific changes are you suggesting be made exactly? Sergecross73 msg me 20:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The games Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon, Tales of the World: Summoner's Lineage, Tales of Breaker, Tales of Commons, Tales of Wahrheit, Tales of The World: Material Dungeon, Tales of Luminaria should be included alongside the others since they are now just as "main" series as them due either being new works intoducing new characters or sequels. THIS is the point I was making hours ago. Leptitgay (talk) 20:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Do any reliable sources refer to them as mainline entries? I can't say I've seen them classified like this historically, not even by the developer/publishers themselves prior to that 2020 blog. Sergecross73 msg me 20:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Literally right there.

● Original

A standalone work or a legitimate sequel that introduces new characters and story

● Crossover

Characters from different works interact with each other, allowing you to enjoy new aspects of each other.

For ease of understanding, "Ratatoskr" (Symphonia 2 in japan is Symphonia Knight of Ratatoskr) is the original while "My Solo" and "The Rays" are crossovers.

Are you gonna tell me that the first category doesn't describe them or do you want me to call Tomizawa and tell him that Sergecross73 questions the validity of his words on his own series ? Leptitgay (talk) 20:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I meant any other sources besides that dev blog? Sergecross73 msg me 20:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've been quite rude but this time I'll try once more. In the most sincere tone before I look for other sources : Who cares ?

You wanted reliable sources, right ? I gave one to you, the most official one. Why the hell do you need other ones ? Do you just hate the idea of being wrong or do you just not want to edit the page ? Leptitgay (talk) 20:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm trying to see if this organization is common or not. See WP:PRIMARY and WP:FRINGE. Please stay on topic and dont cast aspersions or resort to personal attacks. Sergecross73 msg me 20:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

You can literally see it by the way they started counting Tempest and Symphonia 2 as main series game when prior to this change they were just spinoffs. Leptitgay (talk) 20:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm asking for reliable sources, not original research. Sergecross73 msg me 20:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Bandai Namco only delivers news about the Tales franchise via either the Tales channel or livestreams. They do not put sources elsewhere so no. I do not have secondary sources without diving into "unreliable" as you so like to put it. Unless you count the Japanese wikipedia but I guess you won't since nothing is good enough for you. Leptitgay (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Correct, wikis fail WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 20:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

https://tales-ch.jp/game.php

What's your excuse gonna be this time ? Leptitgay (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

It's the same primary website. Sergecross73 msg me 20:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Nowhere in your policies does it says that it needs to come from somewhere else. I just linked you another page which confirms this isn't a one time thing and that they actually followed it through. You just hate to admit defeat. I gave you proofs, two links even and that's it. Plus you didn't even removed the link that leads to Abyssal Chronicles like you said you would which obviously proves you don't care. If I want to correct your outdated article then I will. If you have a problem then call one of your mod friends or something. Leptitgay (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

See WP:PRIMARY. Linking to the same first party website doesn't change anything. Sergecross73 msg me 21:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Your bullshit link about Primary sources only applies to historical events not video game series. Thank you, goodbye. Leptitgay (talk) 21:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Stop misusing the definition when you obviously haven't read it yourself. Leptitgay (talk) 21:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect. Direct quote: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved. They offer an insider's view of an event, a period of history, a work of art, a political decision, and so on. We're very literally discussing the news (or event) of game dev/publishers reclassifying their own games (literally creators describing their own creation, or art.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

You finally managed to correct me on some facts without spewing BS, congrats now back to what we were talking. Literally look at the "External Links" and that should satisfy you since everything needs to be put into your hand. Also off topic but for the last time, "References" [26] either that link is removed which nows means (Tempest and Symphonia gets removed from the timetable since no official proof anymore) or I just stop ignoring you and edit myself (which I might do anyway since your words clearly don't matter) Leptitgay (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the article's current state, there's 3 external links and all 3 are primary sources, so that still doesn't help. Sergecross73 msg me 21:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

And once again you intentionally ignore References [26] which links to Abyssal Chronicles. You're a joke. Leptitgay (talk) 21:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

That's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Sergecross73 msg me 21:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No it's not. It's the whole reason we're having this discussion. Leptitgay (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I did not add that source, and I'm the one who identified it as an unusable source needing replacing, so it's not like I'm advocating its use. As I already explained, either we need to find a new source to replace it, or rework it to new sources. That was mere hours ago - absolutely not a timetable to be getting impatient about on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 22:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I removed it anyways since it's "not reliable".Asthat link was the same as mine, I trust that y Leptitgay (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

That's fine, I was under the impression it was sourcing more than just Dawn and Tempest. Sergecross73 msg me 22:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Of course I trust that you won't add them back otherwise I'll know you're just a clown and will proceed with my edits while ignoring your comments. Leptitgay (talk) 22:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If the official developers disagree with you then maybe it's time to admit that you don't know anything. Leptitgay (talk) 20:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

This is NOT the dev's blog. This is the official Tales channel run by Bandai Namco themselves. Leptitgay (talk) 20:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not my point. My point is that it is a singular, WP:PRIMARY source. Sergecross73 msg me 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Why does it matter when it's a statement made by the developpers ? This screams official. Leptitgay (talk) 20:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

You're just talking circles. Wait and see if anyone else chimes in. Sergecross73 msg me 21:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)